- guardian.co.uk, Saturday February 5 2000 01.54 GMT
Irving: Mr Rampton, when the time comes to cross-examine your expert witnesses, I shall be putting to them documents which show very clearly what methods were used to extract information from witnesses, including some of the most brutal and horrifying descriptions of what happened to the witnesses in the Malmedy trial. I shall invite them to state whether they consider this kind of evidence is dependable.
Rampton: Mr Irving, I am tempted myself to resort to such methods to get a straight answer to my question, I have to say. You have no evidential _
Irving: It included, for example, crushing the testicles of 165 out of 167 witnesses. Is that what you are proposing to do to me?
Rampton: We cannot fit that many witnesses into your witness box up there,
Mr Irving, I am afraid _
Rampton: Would you like a rest? You seem very énervé , if I can use the French word.
Irving: I can carry on if you can.
Mr Justice Gray: Mr Irving, it occurred to me actually whilst watching the film that you said you were up till four or five this morning. I am very concerned that it is a huge physical strain on you and I would be perfectly happy if you said you had had enough.
Irving: I can go as many rounds with Mr Rampton as he wishes.
Rampton: You do not have to worry going rounds with me, Mr Irving. I have been doing this for 35 years.
